Apologies for the picture of the more modern, air-braked, OTA timber wagon at Crianlarich on 25 February 2005, but one of the many problems with this project is a lack of good pictures, particularly non-copyright images, of the Timber P wagons.
This project involves modelling the timber wagons used for the flow of timber from Crianlarich Lower (on the Callender and Oban line) to the pulp mill at Corpach, between 1965 and 1980. The wagons were converted from Plate wagons or from Conflat P’s (themselves converted from Plates). Hence the ‘P’ in the Timber P designation. As far as I am aware, no-one has ever produced a kit for these wagons.
I’ve started off by trying to assemble as much info as possible on the wagons. I already had a copy of a drawing and two official photos from the 1983 Model Railway Constructor Annual. After posting on the DEMU Forum, and on the Scottish Modellers Yahoo group, I’ve been referred to some useful photos in “Power of the Class 26s and 27s” by Tom Noble [OPC], and an article in Model Rail from August 1999 with a couple more pictures. Thanks to Simon Newitt and Phil Holman.
If you have any further info, or are interested in this project, I’d love to hear from you - leave a comment and I'll get back to you.
4 comments:
Jim,
I have some photos of timber P's purchased from David Larkin. I contacted the address at the end of his book Working Wagons Vol.1 1968-73 and he very kindly sent me a list of the pics he had of these wagons. Some are from an early 70's visit that David made to the West Highland Line and the majority are of when they were stored down south prior to scrapping.
I'd be happy to scan them for you.
David also sent me lists of his photo's covering three types of alumina wagons.
I purchased most of the pics from his WHL trip which included some interesting ballast wagons.
I don't know if David Larkin still provides copies of his work. Maybe someone else on Scottish Modellers could shed some light on that.
Regards,
Stewart Glendinning
slglendinning@aol.com
I know this has been discussed before..... but is there any way where we can share as many pics. of 'timber p' wagons as we can without infringing copyright?
I have been working on a feeble attempt myself to complete a model using the sole bars from a Airfix/Dapol tank wagon kit. I know the underframe detail is different - but the wheelbase appears fairly accurate and is fitted with roller bearings. I have several pics. myself which I have collected over the years - mainly from magazines.
I remember one shot of two class 20s going round the 'Horse-Shoe' with a full train of emptyies heading back to Crianlarich.
Well that's my half-penny thrown in!
Stuart MacKellaig
Newtonmore
Hi Jim,
Just been working through the photos of Timber P wagons.
Some interesting things show up from the number ranges.
These are all we have photos of and they are either identified or identifiable
Timber P - UUV B932775 - sep81
Diag 1/431 - Lot 2604 - No Built 850 – Shildon – 1954
B931975 – B932824 RCH Long Link – Unfitted when built
Photo shows BR Clasp? I think!
Timber P - UUV B932869 - sep81
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B932956 - sep81
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933047 – crianlarich - jun70
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933059 - David Larkin - W10165DL
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933061 - sep81
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933127 - sep81
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933233 - Paul Bartlett
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933238 - Cadder repair mar 72
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933270 - Crianlarich - jun70
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933343 - Crianlarich - jun 70
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933387 - sep81
Diag 1/432 – Lot 2862 – No Built 500 – Shildon – 1957
B933375 – B933874 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933601 - crianlarich - jun 70
Diag 1/432 – Lot 2862 – No Built 500 – Shildon – 1957
B933375 – B933874 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933648 - sep81
Diag 1/432 – Lot 2862 – No Built 500 – Shildon – 1957
B933375 – B933874 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933697 - sep81
Diag 1/432 – Lot 2862 – No Built 500 – Shildon – 1957
B933375 – B933874 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933861 - sep81
Diag 1/432 – Lot 2862 – No Built 500 – Shildon – 1957
B933375 – B933874 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B935880 - David Larkin - W10175DL
Diag 1/434 – Lot 3338 – No Built 1000 – Shildon – 1960/61
B935525 – B936524 BR Clasp – Vacuum
That rounds up all the photos so far!
We could do with finding some more to help sort out the differences though.
Scottish Modeller
Hi Jim,
Just been working through the photos of Timber P wagons.
Some interesting things show up from the number ranges.
These are all we have photos of and they are either identified or identifiable
Timber P - UUV B932775 - sep81
Diag 1/431 - Lot 2604 - No Built 850 – Shildon – 1954
B931975 – B932824 RCH Long Link – Unfitted when built
Photo shows BR Clasp? I think!
Timber P - UUV B932869 - sep81
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B932956 - sep81
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933047 – crianlarich - jun70
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933059 - David Larkin - W10165DL
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933061 - sep81
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933127 - sep81
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933233 - Paul Bartlett
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933238 - Cadder repair mar 72
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933270 - Crianlarich - jun70
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933343 - Crianlarich - jun 70
Diag 1/432 - Lot 2734 – No Built 550 – Shildon – 1956-58
B932825 – B933374 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933387 - sep81
Diag 1/432 – Lot 2862 – No Built 500 – Shildon – 1957
B933375 – B933874 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933601 - crianlarich - jun 70
Diag 1/432 – Lot 2862 – No Built 500 – Shildon – 1957
B933375 – B933874 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933648 - sep81
Diag 1/432 – Lot 2862 – No Built 500 – Shildon – 1957
B933375 – B933874 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933697 - sep81
Diag 1/432 – Lot 2862 – No Built 500 – Shildon – 1957
B933375 – B933874 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B933861 - sep81
Diag 1/432 – Lot 2862 – No Built 500 – Shildon – 1957
B933375 – B933874 LNER Clasp – Vacuum
Timber P - UUV B935880 - David Larkin - W10175DL
Diag 1/434 – Lot 3338 – No Built 1000 – Shildon – 1960/61
B935525 – B936524 BR Clasp – Vacuum
That about sorts out the photos we have.
Coould do with a few more to try and sort out the differences...
Like hens teeth though!
Thanks
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